![]() “People say we cater to celebrities,” Pastor Carl tells me. On any given Sunday, Hillsong NYC salves the souls of 8,000 people, and what souls: Justin Bieber, yes, but also Kendall Jenner and Selena Gomez and Kevin Durant and Bono. The church landed in New York City in 2010, with a branch at the Manhattan nightclub Irving Plaza, a branch at a theater in Times Square, and a branch in an auditorium at Montclair State University. Hillsong, which began in Australia, has outposts all over the globe, from Kiev to Paris to Buenos Aires. “No, I want to do it now.” And Pastor Carl saw salvation in Justin’s eyes, and knew that his baptism couldn’t come quickly enough. Let’s schedule a time.” But Justin Bieber couldn’t be Justin Bieber for one minute longer. Suddenly, Justin was overcome by the Gospel, and he said, “Baptize me.” And Pastor Carl said, “Yes, buckaroo”-he really does call Bieber buckaroo, and now you should, too-“let’s do this. “I want to know Jesus,” Justin Bieber sobbed to Pastor Carl. But one day, according to Carl, Justin looked in the mirror and he was ravaged by feelings of loss. There was a petition circulating online to deport him back to Canada. He seemed to be spending more time with drugs than with Jesus. He had been caught being monstrous to just about everyone around him. It is helpful to think of Justin Bieber here, at this point in his life, as a biblical character at the very bottom of a Jobian well of his own making. He has never been anybody but who he has professed to be, which is a work in progress.” He is trying to do his best to figure this out. But no Christian, no person, could live under the scrutiny that Justin faces, says Pastor Carl. In general, people are critical of Justin Bieber for his many alleged human-rights abuses-I heard he once used a wheelchair to cut in line at Disneyland-and this upsets Pastor Carl, because Justin “lives his life on Front Street,” which is a southern way of saying that we can see all that he does, while we get to conduct our sins in relative anonymity. “I need you to help me with a young man,” Pastor Judah said, and Pastor Carl rushed to agree, because helping is Carl’s thing, and the young man was, yes, Justin Bieber. On the other end of the line was one of Carl’s best friends, Judah Smith, another mega-pastor who also happens to be the chaplain for the Seattle Seahawks. Carl is one of the lead pastors at Hillsong NYC, a mega-church so reputedly, mystifyingly cool that cable-news outlets cover its services like they’re Kardashian birthday bashes at 1 Oak. ![]() ![]() Todd and Transformation Church have become known in Tulsa for their community donations, including $200,000 to each of the three living survivors of the race massacre, part of a $1 million donation given by the church to commemorate the tragedy at its centennial.What if I told you I had a Justin Bieber story that would break your heart? Or at the very least, put an asterisk on what you think of him? No, listen: About five years ago, Pastor Carl got a phone call. The arena, purchased by Transformation in 2019 for $10.5 million, was among the nearly $67 million in real estate properties the church has bought in the area in the past four years. ![]() Transformation Church, founded in 1999 in the historically Black Greenwood District of Tulsa, home to the city’s 1921 race massacre, now meets in the nearby suburb of Bixby, at the 4,500-seat SpiritBank Event Center, which the church owns. “We are called to be a safe environment for people to evolve and transform,” she added. The two go “hand-in-hand,” she said, pointing to Scripture from the Book of Galatians that includes a message to “restore one another” after sin, mistakes and repentance. McQuarters said the church’s vision to “re-present God to the lost and found for transformation in Christ” includes restoration. ![]()
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